It's not about the morality of smoking, it's that the use of tobacco is so much more likely to kill you (and raise premiums). That alone is enough to warrant the ban of tobacco on everyone. Once again, find a way where people can use it without affecting everyone else, and I won't have a problem with it.
Yeah, you can make the same argument with alcohol, but the stats on tobacco outweigh the other habits.
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That's the million dollar question Kaptain, at what age are we really adults ? Whatever age it is the responsibilities need to be uniform. The way many children are raised today does encourage later development of good judgment. I do agree, we are allowing our politicians and left wing wags to take us down a slope of outlawing politically incorrect actions. Someday will all regret it.
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You are tight farmkid we should not have to pay for other peoples bad habits. I'm not sure what the fix is and it could open up a lot of other issues, poor exercise habits, overweight etc. 101 is at least partially correct. Tobacco is probably the least harmful ingredient in a cigarette. A few years ago I read several articles on what is added to the tobacco and what happens when it burns. There is no way they should be allowed to add that stuff to a product made for human or animal use.
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p0rn0gr@phy is a censored word? Scary.
or cheating on our spouses. But people do these things everyday, and although they may be wrong morally none are illegal of themselves. Point here is words have meanings. This debate is about the BANNING of tobacco sales to 18-20 yo's, banning means loss of freedom replaced with punishment enforced by the state. Once we start down that road, and we have, the slope becomes very steep and slippery very quick. Tobacco, liquor, books, speech, firearms, etc. etc.. Of course those doing the banning are only doing it for our own good, because they know what's best for all of us. Right Comrade....
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Ok Farmkid you say the age of adulthood should be raised. To what age I ask 21, 25, 30, how bout 48 then I can be a kid for a couple more years,the wife says I never grew up anyway. We going to formulate some kind of standardized test to measure maturity? I agree with you in part, that many of the 18-21 yo's today are irresponsible and childlike. But is it because our youth have changed or because our society allows them to behave this way. I contend we are spoiled almost beyond repair. I'm sure my grandparents generation would have loved to hang onto their youth longer but little things like the depression and WW2 got in the way. My point Farmkid is that if we redefine the age of adulthood we are regressing as a culture to fit the social engineering of today. Next point, you say, "No one should be buying tobacco at any age." I agree, we also shouldn't be drinking alcohol, gambling, looking at ***********,
Umm, okay. I don't have many words for that last comment, but I'm sure others will.
Scout, the reason why I'm against tobacco products is that we all pay for it through our insurance policies. If informed people still wanted to light up without it costing me, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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The real question that should be asked is"Should unsafe additives and known carcinogenics be banned/ illegal for tobacco companies to add this stuff to any tobacco that is sold?" 599 Differen additives are added into a pack of smokes and those 599 turn into over 4,000 different chemicals after they are burned because their properties change. Google the list, it will shock you. Tobacco isn't even that bad for you if it's only natural organic tobacco and is even good for your lungs in small amounts, but when poisons are added in the mix, then you have problems. It's questions like this most recent poll asks that keep us distracted so we don't talk about what really needs to be discussed then questioned.
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farmkid I know you don't like tobacco but you get the idea.
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I agree completely. It is the little Hilters of the left that believe they can grant rights as they see fit. This is also the group that expects everything and gives nothing in return. The do nothing whiners of the country. It is very unjust to hold 18-20 year olds accountable for the things Kaptain mentioned then deny them other things. Whatever the age is, if you are old enough to vote and serve you are old enough to have a beer and a cigar.
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"What concerns me more than the ones who disagree with Scouts, your, or my comments is the 14 Hitler Youth that think it's great to make something illegal they don't approve of. Once again the leftists showing how they can run your life better than you can."
The door is left wide open on that comment, that's the reason for my question about illegal substance use.
My view is, the age of adulthood should be raised. Teens are too young to drink responsibly, drive responsibly, and give their life.
No one should be buying tobacco, at any age.
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Farmkid, I believe this discussion is specifically about tobacco, not illegal substances. This nations drug policy is certainly a topic for discussion but not here. You ask where is the line to be drawn, I say leave the line alone. If 18 is the age to be tried as a adult in most cases, and the age where males are required to register with selective service then it should be the benchmark for all "adult" activities. This nations national cemeteries are full of 17-20 yo's that paid the ultimate price for our dwindling freedoms. What hypocrites we are to send our young off to war as fighting men and women, only to be told when and if they come home, "Hey kid you can't have that beer or that cigar. Your under arrest". I know my response would be Go to ****.
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Would you be okay with legalizing all substances? Or is it okay for those to remain illegal because so many think they're illegal? Where's the line to be drawn?
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Don't worry about the reposts sumyounguy, the site hasn't been working right for 2-days. Scout is correct maybe we had better redefine what an adult is. If 18 is the legal age to get married without parental consult, get a credit card and rack up thousands in debt, or fight and die for your country, then 18 should be the age to consume adult products if one chooses to without the nanny state interfering. What concerns me more than the ones who disagree with Scouts, your, or my comments is the 14 Hitler Youth that think it's great to make something illegal they don't approve of. Once again the leftists showing how they can run your life better than you can. Is smoking harmful, yes it is. But so is living ones life as a lemming.
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Sorry about the reposts, but their site isn't refreshing right for me, so it wasn't appearing.
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Scout, I wouldn't get too hung up on the voting. It records my vote about 1 out of 10 times. And I've had past comments removed (perfectly fine comments nothing rude). It seems someone at the Independent wants to control information. Ain't freedom great.
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