If you don't like this country feel free to leave. It has survived many years with the pledge of Allegiance speken in school and I might add swearing to uphold the laws of this country when sworn to office used to be taken seriously too. I wonder how long it would have lasted if we had selective law enforcement like we have seen in the past 5 years.
7 Agrees | 21 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
including "under God".
5 Agrees | 21 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
This is a silly poll. It's like asking if you support the troops. Of course everyone supports the troops. Do they necessarily support the wars they're asked to fight in? Maybe not, but the point is, saying the Pledge doesn't make a person more patriotic--especially if "forced" to say it. The "under God" part was added many years after the original was penned, by the way. And the original? It was written by a socialist.
22 Agrees | 4 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
I am an atheist so I do take exception to the "under god" part. Reciting the pledge should be optional.
22 Agrees | 8 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
The issue isn't whether or not the pledge should be recited, but if it should be recited with the totally gratuitous "under God" insert. When I went to elementary school we recited the pledge every morning, but the state opted not to adopt the changed wording, so I learned it as "one nation indivisible".
One of the key aspects of the 1st amendment is that congress shall make no law establishing a national religion. By altering the pledge of allegiance to include "under God" they in effect dictated that the U.S. has a monotheistic national religion, which violates the 1st amendment and discriminates against atheists and those who worship multiple deities.
Besides, it just doesn't flow right with "under God" in there.
23 Agrees | 7 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
It’s great that rona45 supports a “pledge of allegiance” composed by a Socialist but personally I think it’s silly to require students to repeat a pledge, especially those too young to really understand the meaning behind the “pledge”.
Your right Hartman it was a socialist that wrote the pledge. A socialist christian minister. Blasphemer, I almost feel sorry for you what a hopeless depressing life you must live.
6 Agrees | 22 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
If this poll is in anyway correct, then how is it that the 12 percent that do not want the Pledge in school get there way? What ever happened to majority rules? Or is it the theory of let's sacrifice many to save a few!
10 Agrees | 17 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
The Founders certainly didn't intend to sweep our judeo-Christian roots under the rug. The proof is on our money and elsewhere. Progressives/liberals are heck-bent on changing that as they continually chip away at the Constitution, for decades if not a century. Perhaps that's why "under God" was added to the pledge.
4 Agrees | 24 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Krunch, Don't worry about me, just keep dealing with your own pathetic life. I'm happy as a clam.
21 Agrees | 2 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
The founders had the wisdom and foresight to learn from European history and recognize that anytime the government explicitly or tacitly endorses a specific religion the rights of those who do not follow that religion will be infringed upon.
While they may have all come from a Judeo-Christian background, the founders understood that even within the same root religion there can problems even if the government adopts a particular sect. Anyone who doubts that just needs to look at Ireland.
Because of that they specifically added a proscription in the Bill of Right against any form of state religion, and the courts have consistently ruled that that the government doesn't have to declare a state religion to violate the 1st amendment, they violate it anytime they allow or endorse anything specific to a religion.
If you're secure in your faith you shouldn't need a government motto supporting it; your faith should speak for itself.
22 Agrees | 2 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
I'm surprised the politically correct haven't tried to work in gay marriage, gun control and welfare entitlements into the Pledge!
A number of you aetheists sure seemed concerned about religion, even though you say you don't believe in God or religion. If that is the case just keep your yaps closed.
4 Agrees | 22 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Al, Things were staying relatively on track until you stuck your silly two cents worth in.
21 Agrees | 4 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Looks like the Big O may be resigning soon. Good riddance!
p.s. - told you so
3 Agrees | 16 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
clambake - you always have the option of keeping your mouth shut.
Things were going swimmingly until you opened you yap.
3 Agrees | 22 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Too bad, I was praying that you were an atheist al. Too much to hope for I guess. By the way, you think your mother would be proud of your last comments?
14 Agrees | 2 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
I gave you a one time answer to that question - no need to play your little sick game again.
2 Agrees | 21 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
The 12 percent who do not support the Pledge get their way because they complain the loudest. They are long on talk and short on action. The Jesse Jackson types. Probably never held a real job where work was required. Hartman, you think it is silly to recite the pledge then leave. The Pledge recited by school children is the beginning of the foundation of patriotism for our country. If you don't believe in our country the way it was founded then leave. The liberal side, backed by the media tells us we should be tolerant of everyone, EXCEPT those who support the values this country was founded upon. If you support the traditional American values watch out because the liberal side has declared war on you. "Under God" or "Indivisible", either way is good but DO NOT TELL me my children cannot say Under God in school because it offends your atheist beliefs. Claiming the constitution defends that position is the height of hypocrisy.
4 Agrees | 21 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
I wouldn't be too proud of what you write either.
11 Agrees | 1 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Let us remember what the Constitution actually says. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...". That means the United States Congress. It does not limit what the States or local governments or schools may do. The free excercise part is available to all others besides Congress, both public and private, and which many pretend doesn't exist or may only be displayed in the closet.
Judicial activists (progressives/liberals) believing in a "living-breathing" Constitution have tirelessly chipped away at the original intent. If the Constitution means anything, it means nothing.
3 Agrees | 21 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
North Carolina is trying to declare an official state religion, using that exact argument, SYG. We'll have to see how that goes for them.
What I find amazing is that all the measures are brought forth by the GOP, the party that argues for limited government and regulation. Apparently they only wish to limit government for corporations, because when it comes to our private life they seem to have no problem trying to interject the government into the picture.
22 Agrees | 3 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
I think they are trying to restore religion to its historical importance.
2 Agrees | 23 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Id rather my kids NOT pledge their allegience to what our flag presently stands for and how others around the world view it.When I see the American flag today I see a drone missile wrapped in it heading straight at kids in Afghanistan gathering wood who are about to DIE.I see deformed babies born in Iraq because of the depleted uranium we used over there.I see 5,000+ US soldiers killed in a war based on lies.I see another 47,000 US vets dead from suicide.I see the Al Qaeda flag right next to it because that is who our government owns and supports.I see innocent ppl scared out of their minds tonight wondering if they will be killed in US airstrikes while they. sleep.Don't even get me started on the invisible man on a cloud.
2 Agrees | 22 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
SE, we're supposed to be 50 experiments. Some, apparently including you, want the federal government to control everything. If we are all on one boat, we only have one chance to float. 50 boats have a much better chance of success, with people having the freedom to choose which State's laws suit them.
1 Agrees | 21 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
Which historical significance is that, Al? The significance to launch “holy” wars? To hold inquisitions? To execute innocent men and women for “witchcraft”? To justify flying planes into buildings? How about murdering doctors and bombing government buildings? Maybe we should restore religion to the point that we can use it to justify executing our political opponents, or perhaps just as an excuse for decades of sectarian domestic terrorism?
Faith in a higher power is good thing. Living your life according to Christ’s teachings is admirable. Most of the other world’s faiths teach similar ideals as Christianity: love, forgive, accept, and turn the other cheek. Thanks to organized religion, however, very few people actually live that way. Instead they learn to hate, condemn, judge, and destroy.
The founders removed religion from government and that is the historically significant thing we should be concerned about maintaining.
21 Agrees | 3 Disagrees | Report Abuse »
508 W. Main St. , Marshall, MN 56258 | 507-537-1551