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rona45

Feb-06-13 9:12 AM

He should try it in Chicago for a year and see how it works there.

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rangeral

Feb-06-13 5:33 PM

What plan? Start with Chicago and then let us know how that turns out.

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igorvitch

Feb-06-13 6:03 PM

The same plan that's worked in New York, Australia, all of the Nordic countries, Japan, and every as comparably advanced nation as the United States. What's your solution to gun homicides, more guns? What idiocy. We have 5% 0f the world's population and now more than 50% of its guns. I own guns and love to hunt but I don't need a 30 shell clip to hunt birds or animals I've never shot at over three times and certainly don't need these kinds of weapons that killed 20 6-7 year olds in a matter of minutes. Paranoia is not the same thing as common sense.

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jimmycrackcorn

Feb-06-13 6:57 PM

Our nation has a problem with violence, not guns. We have desensitized ourselves and our children through games, television and media. Until we deal with the violence issue, it won't matter how many guns, knives, hammers or baseball bats you ban.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-06-13 8:31 PM

igorvitch, you offer some cherry picked examples.

Let's examine a few other countries with strict gun control: Russia, Brazil and Mexico. Between crime and government oppression via the business end of a gun, we look a little better. The gun statistics of Switzerland, Israel, Finland and New Zealand thrown in the mix and you loose some of your shock factor when comparing us to other countries.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-06-13 8:35 PM

"I don't need a 30 shell clip to hunt birds or animals...."~igorvitch

What is being infringed is the 2nd amendment, not your privilege to hunt. And if you don't think hunting is a privilege, try taking a deer without a license and put up a "it's my right" defense.

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westline

Feb-06-13 10:46 PM

Obama should be selling hot dogs at Wrigley Field, instead of taking away our constitutional rights and trying to spend our way out of debt.

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KaptainKrunch

Feb-06-13 11:58 PM

I'm not sure Mr. Obama could pass the background check allowing him to get a food vendors license at Wrigley.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-07-13 12:11 AM

Have you ever wondered why police have "detectives" to detect who commits crimes, rather than "defenders" to defend against criminals? This cements the court finding police are under no obligation to protect us. Our safety is ultimately our own responsibility, and it seems immoral to limit a law abiding citizen's right and ability to defend themselves and their family.

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blasphemer

Feb-07-13 4:50 PM

I'm quite sure that a good number of these posters are already on the "loonys to keep an eye on" list.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-07-13 6:43 PM

“As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” ~ Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf pg 403

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CrazyDaisy

Feb-07-13 7:30 PM

Godwin's Law

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MNrocks2

Feb-08-13 10:13 AM

History repeats itself. It can't happen here. Ignorance is bliss. When someone has a different view -throw out Godwin's law oh ah that's a trump.

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PandorasBox

Feb-08-13 11:49 AM

The problem isn't Godwin's Law, The problem is that Hitler is the lowest common denominator for many argument that could argue a valid point. The issue is that people rush to Hitler as a defense for any current day issue which is an extremity that won't be reached to same affect for some time.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 2:22 PM

"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and is excepted out of the general powers of government. A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." ~Cockrum v. State

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 2:25 PM

”The philosophy of gun control:

Teenagers are roaring through town at 90 MPH, where the speed limit is 25.

Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20.” ~Sam Cohen

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 2:36 PM

You might think a Hitler reference indicates ideological bankruptcy. Another might see my attempts at lowering the bar to encourage participation. Raising the hook a bit, seeking out sport biters:

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." ~Plato

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rockdart

Feb-08-13 6:06 PM

The 3rd word of the 2nd ammendment is "regulated". The 2nd is "well". When the country experiences 30K+ gun murders every year, one cannot say that guns are being well regulated. Having means by which to keep accountability on individuals who are both buyers AND sellers is the responsible thing to do. Those with their Red Dawn fantasies just need to grow up. There is no Gov't Tyranny, no matter what Fixated On Xenophobia spews at you.

Speaking of Plato...“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.”

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 6:35 PM

There's about 4.7 million dog bite victims annually in the U.S., over 1,000 Americans are treated in emergency rooms for dog bites every day.

Most of these victims are children who were bitten in the face.

1000 children maimed and scarred each and every day.

I note there's no new legislation regarding this very controllable situation.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 6:47 PM

"The 3rd word of the 2nd ammendment is "regulated". The 2nd is "well"."~rockdart

Are you aware of militias that have failed to regulate arms that can be tied to rampage killings, violence against children, or domestic violence?

Context is everything. "Well" and "regulated" were commands to the people from our founders.

"Shall not" was a command to the government.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 7:20 PM

Perspective, like context, is under rated.

US gun deaths since 01/01/2013:

Accidental gun deaths: 68

Gun Homicides: 1,358

Gun Suicides: 1,792

US Justice Department reported in one year, there were 168,881 crimes of violence where police took more than 1 hour to respond.

Guns used in self defense this year:

257, 642

Poison deaths: 3,959

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ProdigalSon

Feb-08-13 8:17 PM

Milwaukee County Wisconsin Sheriff David Clarke has a new public service announcement, declaring calling 911 for help is no longer their best option. In the ad, a baritone-voiced Clarke sets an ominous tone:

"You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you could fight back. Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there. You have a duty to protect yourself and your family."

Of course that's Wisconsin. Here?

If you live in western Co_on Creek Twnshp and have 1:30 AM intruders, it might be 45 min to an hour for a single deputy to arrive. Keep in mind, they're obligated to do a body count, and nothing compels them to put themselves in harms way to save you.

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rockdart

Feb-09-13 1:03 AM

"For every instance in which a gun in the home was shot in self-defense, there were seven criminal assaults or homicides, four accidental shootings, and 11 attempted or successful suicides."

I think the least that could be done is that we treat guns like cars in this country. The other guided missle killer of people.

One must apply for a license and be cleared. One must register the vehicle - gun in this case - yearly. One must carry insurance.

The ole by the, for the, and of the PEOPLE isn't being tyranical and stroking Red Dawn fantasies by keeping people from putting death traps on the road with belching combustion missiles.

Likewise, adopting Australian type reforms that worked extremely well, won't shrink you any more than your long rifle is already compensating for.

What's the matter - don't have nothing to hide, then shut up and put up. "Tough 'guy'"

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ProdigalSon

Feb-09-13 9:41 AM

So rockdart draws the short straw and gets to drag the red herring.

"If you have nothing to hide..."

And rockdart leads with the fallacy "if you have nothing to hide..." that a third grader can shred based on the faulty premise that "privacy" is about hiding a wrong.

The Firearms Owners Protection Act was passed in 1986 in response to abuses of power by the federal government. Look into the history of the Privacy Act of 1974. Both Acts enacted due to collected information abuses that cost citizens their freedom and some, their lives.

rockdart implies it's ridiculous to recognize the protections of these acts and how they come to be.

Rights are freedoms of action, things we can do without interference, particularly the right to self defense.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-09-13 9:49 AM

"What's the matter - don't have nothing to hide..."~rockdart

The "universal background checks" proposed aren't defined. Nobody discusses why few prosecutions occur for the thousands of falsifications by prohibited persons trying to get guns now, caught in the current background checks.

Having "something to hide", and objecting to a legal activity rendering us suspect is a straw man argument, isn't it?

Tell me rockdart....

you have window coverings?

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