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Waiting for society to become humane

January 22, 2014

To the editor: Seems more and more like 2 Tim. 3:1-5 is referring to this day and age. It predicts that men will become more inhuman, arrogant and ungrateful....

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alexander.mac89

Jan-22-14 12:14 PM

Thank you, Phil!

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westline

Jan-22-14 4:35 PM

Well put.

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alexander.mac89

Jan-22-14 5:32 PM

But then again, maybe commonman is right when he says "the time it is up will be worth it."

I mean, what's a better way to expose gross, hateful, liberal ignorance than to publicly display it for what it really is?

Can I take back my "Report Abuse"?

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commonman

Jan-22-14 8:08 PM

I don't see where you are coming from al. I AM speaking about all religious groups. Alex, I am speaking to your blind faith/ignorance. I'm glad to see your reaction puts yourself totally in the right and enables you to label me with words you find most inflammatory. Then to hang me in effigy by saying you want my post to stay out there and expose me, thereby shaming me somehow. How is life in that ivory tower? Do you expel everyone who doesn't agree with you?

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alexander.mac89

Jan-22-14 9:17 PM

Nope, that's your expertise.

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blasphemer

Jan-23-14 3:28 PM

So, alexander(and Phil). I believe Mark Twain said it best. Ignorance may be bliss for you, but it's a pain in the neck to the rest of us.

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hartman75

Jan-23-14 5:48 PM

Phil & others like him, as created by God, were granted the ability to choose the standards by which they desire to live. God granted EVERY individual the right to choose & provided a means for EVERY individual to enter into His Kingdom. By encouraging others to seek Christ, Phil is following the teachings of Catholicism yet the Bible never once instructs a believer to judge nonbelievers. For some reason, Phil thinks the actions of nonbelievers must be limited to match those of believers. Due to His faith, Jesus had incredible powers yet never once used law or physical force to prevent someone from making a choice. We, as Americans NOT as members of a religious group, have been granted the power to make individual choices through our Constitution, not the Bible. Those who oppose abortion have a right to disagree with an individual’s personal choice but not the right to make that choice for them.

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allenlyon

Jan-23-14 6:30 PM

The writer and his supporters sound like men, men who as part of the half of the reproductive unit have in general not taken responsibility for conscious conception, they breed wantonly, overwhelmingly leave child raising to women, do not teach these responsibilities to young boys and teens.

Change this same old song and educate men and boys about planned and unplanned children. Yes, you constantly attack women and their future with this blathering.

Start talking to the boys now. It would be nice to have all your gas addressed to the male half. How about some billboards that say "dont until you have time, money and a plan" or "real men don't breed like bunnies" "we can find you" "Keep it zipped for jc, because you are wearing out this planet"

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blasphemer

Jan-23-14 7:11 PM

Well stateed allenlyon.

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commonman

Jan-23-14 7:54 PM

That's all I wanted to accomplish, an open dialog; though my method was not very friendly.

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rangeral

Jan-23-14 9:27 PM

allenlyon - where do you meet the men you are talking about in your post? You must have some rotten role models because your comments are not true for the men I know and their families.

hartman - now you are religious too?

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Jan-24-14 3:08 AM

Hartman "We, as Americans NOT as members of a religious group, have been granted the power to make individual choices through our Constitution, not the Bible."

Well put. Now let's allow babies, who would otherwise be aborted, to have a future where they can exercise freedom of choice, their constitutional right.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Jan-24-14 3:16 AM

BTW, allenlyon brings an excellent point. The male of the human species is far too selfish and irresponsible. Too many are at the bid and call of their c-r-o-t-c-h, and ignore the consequence; children who are brought into this world unwanted and subsequently uncared for. That is, after all, the root of the problem.

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blasphemer

Jan-24-14 9:34 AM

NBHH, The babies that you are talking about, you know, the ones that should allowed to be born? They are the babies who end up wasting your taxes on welfare and crowding our prisons. I think that makes you some kind of hyposrite. I would rather my taxes pay for one abortion than for decades of a wasted life.

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teacherinmarshall

Jan-24-14 9:34 AM

For the last 2 or 3 decades I have wished that the loudest "Pro-life" folks would use their noise and resources in ways that would actually reduce the number of abortions in our country. Simply barking about the evils of Roe V. Wade and the despotism of American culture won't reduce the number of abortions in America. I would like to see them work in more meaningful ways to build a culture that values life rather than trumpeting piety in their local newspaper.

I also find ugly irony in the fact that so many of the loudest Pro-life folks favor social policies that make it VERY difficult for people in difficult economic situations to have a shot at raising children. They love to defend the pre-born, but not the pre-school.

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hartman75

Jan-24-14 9:48 AM

"Now let's allow babies, who would otherwise be aborted, to have a future..."

No one is preventing you from making that choice NBHH. Likewise you do not have the right to prevent someone from making a different choice. Their choice is none of your concern.

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hartman75

Jan-24-14 9:50 AM

Well said teacherinmarshall.

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CrunchyCon

Jan-24-14 11:11 AM

Hartman – are there any abortion restrictions you would support? (i.e. how about a ban on abortions after 40 weeks gestation) Why or why not? I’m genuinely curious.

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alexander.mac89

Jan-24-14 11:46 AM

teacherinmarshall - "Barking" about these evils in the local newspaper is arguably one of the most historic, effective means of catalyzing change this country has ever seen.

A more accurate, civilized term would be "voicing one's convictions," "expressing one's deeply-held concerns," or as the founders might have called it: "free speech."

I find it equally ironic that you, in fact, bark about THESE evils via the comment section of a local newspaper...

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alexander.mac89

Jan-24-14 11:51 AM

All that said, I find it extremely disconcerting that the loudest pro-choice folks are most vocally concerned about a woman's "right" to abortion, while completely disregarding the genuine demand there is for adopting those unwanted children.

You can definitely try to play the "conservatives only care about the kids before they're born," card, but pro-choicers aren't exempt from that type of reasoning.

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hartman75

Jan-24-14 1:10 PM

I believe you misunderstood teachers comments alexander. Teacher was lamenting the fact that the actions of many pro-lifers don't align with their vocal complaints against abortion. I agree with teacher, many of those who are most vocal in their opposition to abortion often do not support aid to those who decide to carry to full term and raise a child that was not planned. IMO, teacher was not trying to silence those who oppose abortion but rather point out their hypocrisy. Even you would have to admit most "pro-choicers" do support providing aid and resources to families in need.

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CrunchyCon

Jan-24-14 1:56 PM

>>>"many of those who are most vocal in their opposition to abortion often do not support aid to those who decide to carry to full term and raise a child that was not planned"

I would like examples, Hartman. Who are these "many" and what kind of "aid" do they not support?

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alexander.mac89

Jan-24-14 3:23 PM

Hartman, it's clear that wasn't the only point Teacher was attempting to make -- hence the "also" in his/her second paragraph, indicating some distinction between two thoughts.

As far as the conservatives-who-refuse-to-support-born-children argument goes, it's a class A straw man. Cite some figures, show me some real people to support the notion that to be pro-life is to be anti-assistance of any type. Will you find a few? Sure. But will you find a majority? Probably not. It's just a talking point espoused by those uneducated on the matter.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Jan-24-14 3:53 PM

blasphemer, you missed big time in calling me a hypocrite. teacherinmarashall and hartmann, you so sadly miss the point. Two of my children, but for the refusal of a caring mother, and but for the slash of a surgeons scalpel, are now my adopted children, and not some horrifying bio-trash. My adopted children are the most beautiful and wonderful that humanity has to offer. Let's see you three argue that.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Jan-24-14 4:07 PM

This indirectly applies to you to hartmann, but it especially applies to teachers like teacherinmarshall and blasphemer, who might have had my children as students. I would like to see you look my children in the eyes, and tell them they should never have been born.

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