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Obamacare: Leaving us out in the rain

October 22, 2013

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westline

Oct-22-13 5:17 AM

Even if the website worked perfectly, the economics and workability, and destiny of obamacare will continue to be a train wreck.

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westline

Oct-22-13 5:20 AM

If and when we ever get into that theatre, even though the authors of it gave it a G rating, people will want to leave before the end of the movie.

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InMyOpinion

Oct-22-13 7:58 AM

The open enrollment period continues for many, many months so we are no where close to a deadline.

The Affordable Care Act is law and if you don't like it, vote for congressional members who want it changed. So far, the American public, as a majority, do not want this law changed as evidenced by the makeup of our Senate and House.

Yes, the federal and state websites have had troubles, but tell me the last time the Independent had new or updated software that was flawless? Microsoft and Apple are the biggest tech giants on the planet, yet my last two upgrades were riddled with problems, yet I'll still use the software going forward.

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SELyonCo

Oct-22-13 9:12 AM

When is the last time the chief executive of a company personally oversaw the implementation of an IT project? They don't. They have underlings who oversee the projects. To suggest that the president is to blame for the rollout problems is ridiculous, unless you have proof that he was getting updates that said the software wasn't ready and he told them to implement it anyway.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Oct-22-13 10:13 AM

Polls show 70% + of the American public do not want Obamacare, or the Afforadble Care Act, or whatever name Obama's devoted minions want to sugar-coat or disguise this comic disaster with. Yet another socialist money drain, the "Solyndra" of healthcare. How long do you think China will want to pay for this?

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westline

Oct-22-13 10:28 AM

In My Opinion-"so far, the American public, as a majority, do not want this law changed as evidenced by the makeup of the senate and house"-that is like saying that the 20% of Americans who smoke want to get lung cancer. They voted the democrats in for other reasons (maybe more "free" money) obamacare, like lung cancer, is a side effect of the decision to vote that way.

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OIIOHH

Oct-22-13 10:49 AM

“To suggest that the president is to blame for the rollout problems is ridiculous…” That’s right SELyonCo, the president isn’t to blame for ANYTHING. He’s not to blame for the lousy economy, he’s not to blame for the administration lies about why people died in Benghazi, he’s not to blame for chronically high unemployment, he’s not to blame for the massive federal budget deficit, he’s not to blame for invasions of citizen privacy by the NSA. The president certainly wasn’t responsible for the hiring of his HHS secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, who’s assured us many times that the healthcare website was entirely ready to enroll millions of people in taxpayer-subsidized insurance plans.

That’s right SELyonCo , the president’s not responsible for ANYTHING. After all, he’d much rather be out golfing or on vacation in Hawaii or Martha’s Vineyard.

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KaptainKrunch

Oct-22-13 11:19 AM

HA-HA-HA.. This disaster is to funny. A bunch of career politicians who know nothing about the private sector try and create a product that no body wants, and are warned it's not ready, but ram it through anyway and wonder what went wrong. And now they claim they can force everyone, except themselves and their cronies, to buy into their disaster. Good luck with that. Of course the Obama faithful will keep polishing this turd and tell us they turned it into a diamond.

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OIIOHH

Oct-22-13 11:29 AM

Uninsured Americans have until about mid-February to sign up for coverage if they are to meet the law's requirement that they be insured by the end of March. If they don't, they will face a penalty.

That’s “many, many months so we are nowhere close to a deadline.”, InMyOpinion? What kind of bizarre calendar do you own?

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rangeral

Oct-22-13 11:57 AM

There is a low tech solution to get information out to the public - put a two page ad in every newspaper in the country - explaining the options, the cost and how the tax subsidies work.

President iPhone and his phony and ill-informed and prepared supporters do not seem to be able to come up with solutions.

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Merritt

Oct-22-13 12:55 PM

"The Affordable Care Act is law and if you don't like it, vote for congressional members who want it changed. So far, the American public, as a majority, do not want this law changed as evidenced by the makeup of our Senate and House." -

If the American people were told the truth about the impact this law was going to have, they wouldn't have voted the same way. I thought premiums were going down $2,500 for the average family. Anyone with half a brain knew that was impossible, but our media allows him to get away with it anyway. I think it is disgraceful to lie to the American people and then tell everyone else that the people have spoken.

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hartman75

Oct-22-13 3:54 PM

IMO and SEL are both correct; the deadline is months away so there is time to work out the kinks and Obama is not responsible for the website issues but as the President he is accepts the blame and promises improvements. Medicare and Medicare Part D also had start up problems; consumers were unfamiliar with the details, patient data was duplicated or missing, delays caused created frustration for users. Yet all those issues were overcome and the approval rating of those who participate in these programs is over 90%. Of course with Republican efforts to sabotage affordable health care for all Americans, consumers will continue to pay more than if Republicans worked to make improvements in the legislation. Republicans do everything they can to hamper progress then turn around and complain about the lack or progress.

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rangeral

Oct-22-13 4:28 PM

Not true, hartman. My son is on a state program for those with pre-existing conditions and they have notified us that his rate goes up 150% as of December 15, 2013. So what do we do if the exchanges aren't up and working?

Do you want to comment on what your healthcare is and what you pay for it? This would be a good chance for you to clear the air,

The Obamacare train wreck is unprecedented in federal government history.

Accepting the blame to me would mean that heads would roll and Obama would explain to Congress the extent of the cost overruns and where the money is coming from. One of the talking heads on MSNBC said this afternoon if this had happened at Apple, Steve Jobs would have been "mounting heads on a pole".

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SELyonCo

Oct-22-13 4:29 PM

The 70% number is misleading, because it includes people who don't like the law because they don't thing it went far enough. 70% of Americans don't disagree with national health coverage, they just disagree with how far it should go.

IF you really want your premiums to go down then you need a national health care system, which creates a single bargaining entity to negotiate prices with the service providers. A IV bag of saline costs less than a dollar, but most hospitals change insurance $70 to $90 for a bag, compared to the $2 that they can charge Medicare.

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Merritt

Oct-22-13 5:06 PM

A single bargaining entity? So you're saying removing competition will drive prices lower? Adding people with pre-existing conditions will decrease premiums? Subsidizing healthcare costs based on income with decrease costs? Increasing the demand while taking the incentives away from the supply side will not decrease the level of care? Do people seriously believe this stuff?

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Oct-22-13 5:08 PM

SELyon, Yes you're right, even the "gimme" types wanting the complete free ride don't like Obamacare. But that percentage doesn't amount to much. The much larger proportion of the 70% don't like Obamacare for the logical reasons- Cumbersome, prohibitive cost for the government (actually, for China), alarming cost to the patient, doesn't solve the healthcare shortcomings, and it's thee socialist tool for control. Why do you think Obama is pushing it so hard? For the people? Hardly. Government control is what Obamacare is about.

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Outsider

Oct-22-13 7:30 PM

1.1 billion users on Facebook! You think any dumbocrat thought to have a chat with Zuckerburg?? And for all the Hannity lovers I will type slow so you can follow along..... really Romney was the best you could come up with!

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Oct-22-13 8:30 PM

Outsider, not sure where you sit politically. Maybe we're not supposed to. But if you're chastising the GOP for not having a candidate that would have prevented another Obama term, I'm with you there.

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Really

Oct-23-13 6:19 AM

But then there are facts,Republican government shut down stunt costs U.S. 24 billion aprx. Democrat ill working website, 300 million aprx.? Republican Pacs since shutdown received 8 million in donations, Dems 24 million. Republican approval rate 18%, 18%!!! Dems twice that President Obama even better at 44%. Conservative dimwits on here should be very thankful this website isnt working, a successful rollout may have been the end of the tea party ****heads in Congress and a major hit to the relevancy of the entire Republican party. Please keep talking about the healthcare website, because when the next jobs numbers come out we sure as*****are gonna revisit the Republican shutdown and what it did to the economy.

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Really

Oct-23-13 6:27 AM

Al, your "sons" State insurance program isnt government run? Up 150% to what? How much is the taxpayer subsidizing that policy? But your have the balls to vote against other people getting help to get affordable healthcare. Always the hypocrite.

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Merritt

Oct-23-13 9:28 AM

Job numbers came out yesterday. Try to keep up.

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rangeral

Oct-23-13 9:50 AM

really - the state program is self-funded by those receiving the insurance - there is no government subsidy or contribution, and the rate has been higher than what someone his age would pay in the marketplace. Both you and hartman really shine when it comes to economics. You had no idea how this program even works before you made your stupid comment.

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hartman75

Oct-23-13 10:26 AM

Conservatives sure are a miserable bunch, just read their comments. EVERYTHING is wrong! The economy stinks; we spend too much (even with sequestration in effect); health care overhaul is bad (even before it started). What is their solution? A government shutdown costing our economy $24 billion and putting thousands out of work all to prevent Americans from obtaining affordable health care. Where’s the conservative plan for improving our economy and creating jobs – cut taxes? Tried and failed. How about cuts to spending? Obama kept sequestration in effect and Republicans STILL shut down the govt. Even Conservatives believe we need to reform our health care system. So what are they doing to advance that effort? NOTHING! In fact, they are doing everything possible to ensure its failure. No wonder Republicans and Conservatives are so miserable – due to their incompetence all their efforts end in failure. I take that back, Conservatives are good at obstructing progress.

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hartman75

Oct-23-13 10:35 AM

"So what do we do if the exchanges aren't up and working?"

So has your Son actually TRIED using the exchange rangeral? Unless your Son has actually tried and failed to use the exchange, the problem you're describing is strictly hypothetical. You have no idea how this program works unless you have actually used it. You remind us of the little boy who cried wolf.

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alexander.mac89

Oct-23-13 11:46 AM

Dave Ramsey explains Obamacare best:

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