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Short takes for Sept. 20

September 20, 2013

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BigDon

Sep-20-13 9:07 AM

No gun laws that have been proposed by anyone would have stopped this shooting except a total ban on guns. Get off this gun control thing it don't work. Washington has some of the toughest laws on the books. This guy was another sick person who heard voices.

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rangeral

Sep-20-13 10:03 AM

Senators Amy and Franken do not have a position on how to deal with the mental health issue in virtually all of these shootings. Call their offices and ask.

The DC mayor is out of touch. That city has the strictest gun control laws in the country and he can't explain why the shooting happened on his watch.

No one has a plan to deal with the gangs - 13 more people shot in a park in Chicago last night.

How about those liberals - going with false stories and blaming AR 15 rifles.

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OldAndInTheWay

Sep-20-13 3:07 PM

I came across an article on the internet entitled “Armed Correlations” in the March 2013 New Yorker which sums up quite well the debate surrounding gun control. I liked the article because their argument is presented without the emotional hysteria that often clouds gun control debates. Below is a quote from that article.

“So to say that people who know the consequences and still do everything they can to ensure that gun laws don’t change are complicit in the murder of children is to state, as unemotionally as possible, an inarguable fact. They have made a moral choice that the deaths of those children, and the deaths of those who will certainly die next, is justified by some other larger good: in this case, apparently, the sense of personal power that possessing guns provides. That’s a moral choice, clearly made. But we shouldn’t pretend for a minute that they—or we—are making any other.”

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hartman75

Sep-20-13 3:16 PM

Here we go again with the Tea Party at the bottom of the cesspool sucking the Republicans down with them. I lose more money in my retirement fund everytime those idiots in the House threaten to shut down our government than I EVER will if Obamacare remains in effect.

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rangeral

Sep-20-13 3:51 PM

hartman - with the indexes at record highs, you are not making money? Where do you get your investment advice from? By the way all my funds are out of the stock market as of yesterday and I will take advantage of any corrections due to the intractibility of the Dems. By the way, I received pricing for Medicare Part D yesterday, and all costs are up by 10% or more.

Old - you do not mention how you are going to deal with mental illness or gangs in your statement and quote. Do you guarantee no guns, no crime?

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OIIOHH

Sep-20-13 3:53 PM

Hartman – I’m sorry to hear you’ve decided to depend on the government for your retirement funding. No doubt, you were planning to depend on the government for your health care also.

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hartman75

Sep-20-13 5:26 PM

"...I received pricing for Medicare Part D yesterday, and all costs are up by 10% or more."

You can thank Republicans for the cost increases associated with Medicare Part D rangeral. Republicans made sure the federal government was not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies. A total of 14 congressional aides quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill's passage. Chalk up your higher cost to good old capitalism and cronyism.

Since its so expensive, I'm sure you and OIIOHH want to defund Medicare Part D also, right?

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hartman75

Sep-20-13 5:54 PM

"I’m sorry to hear you’ve decided to depend on the government for your retirement funding. "

Huh? If I depended on the govt. for my retirement, then my "retirement fund" would not be affected by the idiots in the house unless they also tried to defund social security. You really don't get it, do you OIIOHH.

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OIIOHH

Sep-20-13 6:19 PM

Hartman:

“I lose more money in my retirement fund everytime those idiots in the House threaten…”

“my "retirement fund" would not be affected by the idiots in the house…” You just made two statements that are OPPOSITES.

Huh?

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farmkid

Sep-21-13 7:16 PM

They're opposites if you selectively use some of his words. That doesn't seem to be a problem for you, but it's hardly a valid argument, Ohio.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Sep-22-13 3:55 PM

Criminals will always have guns, and the mentally ill will always have access to guns. Why? Because gun control narrow mindedness is always targeting law-abiding citizens. Democrat tails wagging the Democrat dogs, ad infinitum. Maybe Dems should get back to another of their useless causes: "The icebergs are melting! The icebergs are melting!"

As for the government shutdown, this absurdity is only happening because Obama was re-elected.

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rangeral

Sep-22-13 8:26 PM

Not one person has a plan to deal with the mentally ill getting guns? Not one of the gun control advocates have a plan?

Have to deal with it as most of the killings in the past year - excluding drugs and gangs - have been done by the mentally ill.

Of course you will never get a proposal by the ACLU.

Where was the left's outrage about the Chicago violence over the past week? And why have gun deaths gone up and weapons confiscation gone down in NYC? Where's Bloomberg now? Where's MSNBC? And how about that DC mayor not being able to control gun violence?

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farmkid

Sep-22-13 9:41 PM

Personally al, I believe all of them should listen to you. You're bound to have an inside scoop on the mentally ill.

(Saying you've had to respond to me makes you an authority isn't very clever either.)

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rangeral

Sep-22-13 11:30 PM

I'm SO happy for you.

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Pirate

Sep-23-13 12:21 AM

Just a few days past the Navy base shooting and the story has all but disappeared from the mainstream media. No Bloomberg, no Feinstein, none of the usual. No AR, no MAC10, no 18 round Glock. No story? The survivors of the 12 who were murdered and other survivors wouldn't agree. The 870 Remington is one of the most common sporting guns in the world. There likely aren't enough zeros after the decimal point to represent the number of shots taken at humans versus those at game or clays. So as much as can ever be shown, it ain't the gun. A ban on 870s isn't going to change a thing. The usual gun haters are mostly silent because their usual "the sky is falling" chants don't fit. This just might be a time there could actually be common sense discussions on what the problems are and how they can be addressed rather than surgery by chainsaw in gutting the 2nd.

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allenlyon

Sep-23-13 9:23 AM

I agree with rager al that this gun thing is a mental health issue. Americans are nuts if they think all these guns are good for us and a machine gun in every cabinet is one of our freedoms. Hallucinating about what the 2nd amendment means.... The world community sees us as a maniacal bunch of gun-toting crazies, too, fools to listen to the hype about our need for killer machines and delusional about the bs that comes from wayne lapierre and his ilk. We are mentally ill about guns.

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rangeral

Sep-23-13 10:01 AM

allen - you need to spend some time in the Middle East and Africa to prove your theory that we are the only country with guns. Was that Nairobi mall attack done with paper?

There are very few automatic weapons in the hands of ordinary citizens.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Sep-23-13 1:38 PM

"....fools to listen to the hype about our need for killer machines and delusional about the bs that comes from wayne lapierre...." allenlyon, your post was a case study in hype and bs. And why should we care how the world views the U.S? That doesn't matter much when the real "crazies" i.e. muslim terrorists, come over here to steer loaded passenger planes into skyscrapers. That "caring what other people think" mentality is what Obama has used almost exclusively to turn this country into the world's laughing stock. In reality there is only one laughing stock that defines the country as such, and a lesser bunch of crazies re-elected him.

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Rockinon

Sep-23-13 4:00 PM

Hmm, seems just "slightly" racist there al. Don't you mean that any American family should be deported, if a member of that family is found to be supporting an act of terror, right?

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Sep-23-13 4:52 PM

Rock, your political correctness disease is showing. Lets not see things as they are. Instead, lets find a way to blame Grandma for Niarobi.

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rangeral

Sep-23-13 4:52 PM

Where would we send Hilary and Barrack?

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allenlyon

Sep-23-13 5:31 PM

rageral you could send barack and hillary to your house for some haterade. would that please you?

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Rockinon

Sep-23-13 8:18 PM

Sorry, I just can't tolerate the blatantly racist remarks being made.

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NoBleedingHeartHere

Sep-23-13 9:20 PM

Rock, racism has become a meaningless term for the simple reason that people like Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel, Rivera, Gutierrez, Obama, and you, screech the term to distract from the topic, always when there is not a shred of racism to be found.

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rangeral

Sep-23-13 11:29 PM

Only if you equate racism with terrorism. Do you?

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