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Father of accused says son is no terrorist

May 6, 2013

MONTEVIDEO — The father of Buford Rogers, the Montevideo man arrested by the FBI on Friday, said Monday his son is not a terrorist....

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rona45

May-07-13 9:13 AM

If they would have put half the effort into the drug problem and illegals I would have been more impressed.

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56two58

May-07-13 10:35 AM

Wow. All I can say is wow. On many levels.

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hartman75

May-07-13 10:44 AM

Not to worry rona, I'm sure all the guns, ammo and explosives were necessary to protect the Rogers family in case of attack from our government. You know, things are out of control when a person can't even keep a Romanian AK rifle and a few explosives on hand for protection. How's a person to survive?

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JasonsStorm

May-07-13 12:18 PM

Crazies, making excuses for crazies. I saw on facebook, someone who knew them, said they are anti-government, yet, they don't work and live off the system.

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hartman75

May-07-13 3:03 PM

You got that right Jason. Reminds me of Tea Party supporters carrying signs that read, "Keep the govt. out of my Medicare". In these situations, the worst part is that the children will suffer because of their parents ignorance.

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56two58

May-07-13 4:58 PM

Lots of contrarianism here - not just on the right. I'm sure the ACLU or other liberal organization is already preparing a suit against the authorities for breech of privacy. Basically, setting up an environment in which we've got to wait for the bomb to go of before we can act.

There are many people with guns & protections & preppers - obviously this guy managed to cross a line too.

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hartman75

May-07-13 5:34 PM

I’m curious as to why rangeral, Prod, Pirate, et. al. have not voiced their support of the Rogers. They all have strongly endorsed the individual right to bear arms often claiming the need to protect against impending government overreach. Based on past comments boasting of their desire to own and acquire armaments, their lack of rhetorical aid for the Rogers family raises questions of their commitment to the cause. Certainly the Rogers would be viewed as sacrificial victims or sufferers for a cause. This is the type of behavior they believe the framers of our constitution intended to protect and preserve.

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ProdigalSon

May-07-13 6:18 PM

I've been rough on the Indy and Mr. Browne in particular for their lack of "investigative reporting". This article, although short, kept the sensation out of the story and delved into personal details further than the MSM has. Thanks for doing your job.

This "incident" is little more than "security theater". No "terror related charges" filed...unless they use pliers on the kid and get him to say he was going to shoot up the local bait shop, there probably won't be anymore. This 24 y.o. kid folded under FBI interrogation [thats what they do to POW's, isn't it? Waterboarding comes to Chippewa County?]and owned up to firing a gun twice. The interstate commerce charge is fluff. Must have been a slow day in law enforcement.

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Pirate

May-07-13 7:45 PM

I don't think it's terrorism hartman. They're just upset with a YouTube video.

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SomeSensePlease

May-07-13 10:34 PM

The picture accompanying the article says it all.

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56two58

May-08-13 10:47 AM

hartman75 - convicted felons do not have the right to own/possess firearms. Looks like despite being a felon, this individual got his hands on firearms (from his parents presumably). From what I can tell, none of the newly proposed legislation would have changed it. Just might have removed some guns from the neighbors and area residents - all who could have been victims.

In this rare case, the existing law was enforced. Seems it worked here.

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commonman

May-08-13 6:31 PM

I think the Rogers family should be the test case for any microchips. And of course prod is spewing more ridiculous paranoya. I think a special chip for him...

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hartman75

May-09-13 11:57 AM

"From what I can tell, none of the newly proposed legislation would have changed it. Just might have removed some guns from the neighbors and area residents - all who could have been victims." I don't understand how new laws would have "removed"guns from "the neighbors and area residents" 56two58, could you elaborate.

Requiring background checks on gun buyers would prevent criminals from buying guns on the open market. The claim laws are ineffective simply because crimes are committed is not in accordance with the truth or reality.

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hartman75

May-09-13 12:01 PM

Based on the article and from some of the comments, it’s comical to hear “survivalist” and other like-minded militia members claim they hold the key to “freedom” as they become enslaved by their aberrant and irrational beliefs. Its getting more and more difficult to tell them apart from the jihadists. IMO, both groups pose a threat to American ideals.

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Pirate

May-09-13 4:00 PM

hartman - To the first of your recent posts - the point is when used, current laws work. How is that confusing for you?

To the second post - Do you have more right to espouse Socialism than they being survivalist? I consider Socialism far more dangerous to our country's well being. Unless you also wish to set aside due process, they have as of yet not been shown to be a danger to anyone.

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hartman75

May-13-13 11:25 AM

You claim "when used" current law is working Pirate. Which current laws do you think are working? Which current laws are NOT being used? Maybe rangeral could help you with this

A study done of 62 mass murders since 1982 revealed that, “Of the 143 guns possessed by the killers, more than three quarters were obtained legally”.

“What’s more, most of what the ATF knows about illegal guns, including those used in crimes, can’t be shared with the public because of privacy laws created a decade ago by Congress.”

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hartman75

May-13-13 11:31 AM

Maybe this list will help you out Pirate. The following are NOT law and allow guns to flow into the hands of criminals easily and with no accountability.

Mn law does not limit the number of guns an unlicensed individual can sell and does not require that all gun sales be conducted by a licensed dealer. Sales of guns to individuals on the terrorist watch list are not illegal. There is no law requiring the notification of authorities to large purchases of ammunition in a short time period. There are no background checks on individuals purchasing guns over the internet, at gun shows or private sales. Straw purchases are illegal but because of inadequate punishment and difficulties in providing intent (burden of proof), few cases are prosecuted. Gun dealers are not required to account for lost or stolen guns. State’s filing civil lawsuits or taking efforts to revoke or suspend a gun dealer’s license are not allowed to use trace data.

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hartman75

May-13-13 11:52 AM

BTW Pirate, 99.9% of all Americans, including yourself, would find it impossible to survive without "socialist" economic polices. For example our "socialist based" municipal utility, water delivery and waste water treatment systems are an infinitesimal few of the countless services that AFFORD Americans the highest standard of living in the WHOLE WORLD. Yet you claim THOSE "socialist" polices are more dangerous than homemade bombs in your garage or local trailer court?

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56two58

May-13-13 3:00 PM

hartman75 - Yes I can. There has been ample proposed legislation aimed at banning semi-auto firearms as well as banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. My guess is that if Bucky was willing to have a firearm in his possession while being a felon (illegal), this legislation would prevent him from keeping his AR with large capacity clip, but would only do that to his neighbors are others who are law abiding.

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56two58

May-13-13 3:03 PM

Revised:: hartman75 - Yes I can. There has been ample proposed legislation aimed at banning semi-auto firearms as well as banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. My guess is that if Bucky was willing to have a firearm in his possession while being a felon (illegal), this legislation would NOT prevent him from keeping his AR with large capacity clip, but may only impact his neighbors and others who are law abiding.

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Pirate

May-14-13 2:21 AM

hartman - thanks for bringing up your Liberal/Socialist glory grab again. Thankfully there is little in the US that could even begin to be considered Socialism. Hopefully we are never forced to that level of mediocrity. Simply having a service provided by the government does not make it "Socialist". That does not begin to meet the Socialist Tenants. And it certainly doesn't make it better than provided by the private sector. I know it's tough for an elitist like yourself but look outside the city how the rural water systems work. But you can embrace ObamaCare as your example of a Socialist program. Grossly over budget, damaging to the industry it was supposed to improve and unable to sustain itself without the funding of capitalism.

You reference to bombs and trailer courts is nothing more than small minded bigotry.

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Pirate

May-14-13 3:02 AM

Your list is a joke. Are you even aware you can't legally buy guns over the Internet without a background check? If you ship to other than a FFL holder for sale you have broken the law. That already exists, by the way, and is enforceable. Those who work outside of that will continue to do so with any new law. Terrorist watch list? If we use that it will cut out sales to infants, animals and dead people. If the FBI can't watch it how can you put that on any shopkeeper. What is a large quantity of ammunition? You obviously are not a shooter so I won't even try to explain. Straw purchases will continue no matter what changes are made. How do you think underage drinkers get alcohol. The stopping point are mostly the dealers. Go ask one to tell you a few stories. A gun dealer has to account for every gun they take possession of.

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Pirate

May-14-13 3:05 AM

The bottom line is enforcement. Obama's appointee to head BATFE, B Todd Jones, as US Attorney for Minnesota stated gun crimes were not a high enough priority to spend time on. What laws do you propose would improve that stance?

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hartman75

May-14-13 1:39 PM

No need to rant Pirate, I simply wanted an example of a current law you believe is sufficient to reduce the ease with which criminals obtain guns. Claiming that those who work outside the law will continue doing so is an excuse, not an argument. In many cases, it's easier to buy a gun than sinus medication. If the bottom line is enforcement call the NRA - they are responsible for the lack of enforcement concerning gun legislation.

Based on your remarks Pirate, it's quite obvious you know little about socialism. Labeling me an elitist is a classification - socialism has no class designations.

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hartman75

May-14-13 1:47 PM

"My guess is that if Bucky was willing to have a firearm in his possession while being a felon (illegal), this legislation would NOT prevent him from keeping his AR with large capacity clip..."

Good point 56258, so logically we need legislation that WOULD help prevent a felon from obtaining and AR with large capacity clip...um...like background checks on ALL gun sales.

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