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Are we still a Christian nation?

February 14, 2013

To the editor: It seems that the truths of the Bible, written in ancient times, used to anchor our country in a moral society, has been downgraded to where they have become almost meaningless....

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blasphemer

Feb-14-13 9:41 AM

We never were a "Christian nation" Eugene.

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rangeral

Feb-14-13 10:22 AM

blasphemer - you sure don't know your history.

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MNrocks2

Feb-14-13 10:27 AM

Never? I disagree blasphemer. Otherwise you are saying the blasphemer mentality didn't have anything to say when they were writing In God We Trust on our currency, adding religion to the decor of the government buildings, saying the pledge of Allegiance before community meetings and in school, saying prayers at graduations,in the military before battles, the list goes on...again I find it really hard to believe that mentality was silent at that time. Perhaps atheists and non believers were a minority at that time.

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ChrisA

Feb-14-13 11:25 AM

If we were a Christian nation, then what was the Biblical justification for the American revolution?

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rangeral

Feb-14-13 11:51 AM

chrisA - I wasn't there at the time and neither were you.

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ChrisA

Feb-14-13 12:25 PM

rangeral: chrisA - I wasn't there at the time and neither were you.

The Bible and historical context hasn't changed over the last 200+ years. If there was a Biblical justification for the revolution, then you should be able cite scripture in support of the claim the United States was a Christian nation.

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Pirate

Feb-14-13 12:39 PM

Chris - are you saying you can't be Christian and go to war?

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traveler

Feb-14-13 12:59 PM

Pirate, Jesus clearly taught nonviolence. Read the Gospels. It is Christianity that often has failed to live a Gospel life.

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KaptainKrunch

Feb-14-13 1:02 PM

ChrisA The justification for the revolution was freedom. "The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy but cannot disjoin them."-Thomas Jefferson. The founders were men of deep faith, they had to be they were all committing treason. They were predominately Christian but of various denominations. The constitution and bill of rights were written for a "morally just" citizenry. Not necessarily Christian but moral.

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ChrisA

Feb-14-13 1:11 PM

Pirate: Chris - are you saying you can't be Christian and go to war?

No. However, the colonists were not defending themselves from an attack -- foreign or domestic.

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ChrisA

Feb-14-13 1:13 PM

KaptainKrunch: ChrisA The justification for the revolution was freedom.

Please cite scripture that supports revolution for political, religious, and/or economic freedom.

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rangeral

Feb-14-13 1:49 PM

chrisA - can't have it both ways - you are religious "baiting", similar to using the race card. Of course this country was founded on Christian principles - most of the initial settlers were here due to religious prosecution in Europe.

You are making up a question and then asking others to answer it. Be a man and make your own declaration. Or be a weasel and continue your village idiot act.

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Pirate

Feb-14-13 4:03 PM

Chris - so you can't go to war without a religious reason and be a Christian?

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ChrisA

Feb-14-13 4:27 PM

rangeral: You are making up a question and then asking others to answer it. Be a man and make your own declaration

The United States has never been a Christian nation. Sufficiently unequivocal for you?

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ChrisA

Feb-14-13 4:30 PM

Pirate: Chris - so you can't go to war without a religious reason and be a Christian?

Self-defense (war) and revolution are very different. There is no Biblical justification for starting a revolution.

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teacherinmarshall

Feb-14-13 5:49 PM

We are--and have always been--a nation of Religious Liberty, which automatically means that we're not a nation with a national religion of any kind. That is a fundamental...and kind of elementary concept about our democracy.

For much of our history, Christianity has been the dominant religion in our culture and I am a devout Christian--But we have never, by definition, been a "Christian Nation"...and that is a GOOD THING.

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Wiblemo

Feb-15-13 3:17 AM

ChrisA: Are you familiar with the exodus of Egypt? That was a revolution. Easy question.

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SELyonCo

Feb-15-13 8:26 AM

I just love the “we’re a Christian nation because of the pilgrims” argument, because it is complete hogwash. The majority of European settlers in the 17th century were part of “adventurer’s” groups; early venture capitalists. Even the Mayflower was funded by venture capital, and the pilgrims were expected to send back the bulk of the colony’s production from farming, hunting, and trapping.

The founding fathers are on record stating that this country was not founded as a Christian nation. You can make a far more compelling argument that this country was founded as a capitalist nation by unethical businessmen who wrote laws to give them “legal” authority to steal from the masses and destroy anyone who resists… a practice that has continued to this day.

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ChrisA

Feb-15-13 9:22 AM

Wiblemo: Are you familiar with the exodus of Egypt? That was a revolution. Easy question.

The exodus from Egypt was not a revolution. Did the Israelis gain control over Egypt?

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MNrocks2

Feb-15-13 11:26 AM

Majority rules youve all convinced me.We are a nation non christians nor were we based on Christianity. We have the proud heritage of little compasion, morality,belief or regard for anyone but me & my family. I believe and I may proclaim it but by the gods of war and politics don't even try to proclaim Christianity or indicate that the nation had a Christian base as only everything else is acceptable. Any reference to it will be met with downcast comments and historical interpretational proclomations. I see why society has it's problems. But at least according to the posts we are a nation of nothing. And the reference that the revolution was treasonistic is flat anti-American because you speak against her. Freedom from government control and freedom of religion oppression are no more. There was nothing wrong with teaching our children love of country, fellow man and fellowship. No wait I guess there was.

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Wiblemo

Feb-15-13 12:13 PM

Here are the first two definitions from dictionary**** 1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed. 2. Sociology . a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, especially one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence.

revolutions don't always end with taking control of the country. You wanted scripture that supports revolution for political, religious, and/or economic freedom. I would say the exodus fits this pretty well.

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Wiblemo

Feb-15-13 12:17 PM

The Arab Spring was a massive revolution, but didn't result in the taking control of governments.

The Israelites revolted against Pharaoh, replaced him with God, and went from being slaves to free people wondering the wilderness. Quite a pervasive change in their social structure. And it was violent to say the least.

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ChrisA

Feb-15-13 12:31 PM

Wiblemo: revolutions don't always end with taking control of the country. You wanted scripture that supports revolution for political, religious, and/or economic freedom. I would say the exodus fits this pretty well.

The Israelis didn't even attempt to take control of Egypt. Their only goal was leaving Egypt.

Would you like to try again?

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Wiblemo

Feb-15-13 1:05 PM

"The Israelis didn't even attempt to take control of Egypt. Their only goal was leaving Egypt."

Trying to take control of the government is not a requisite to revolution either.

And by the way, they weren't called Israelis since there was no Israel at that time. Perhaps you should try reading the Bible before talking about it.

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Wiblemo

Feb-15-13 1:19 PM

My final comment was not correct, but I stand by the exodus was a revolution by definition.

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