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What is a weapon? It’s the intention of the user

January 25, 2013

To the editor: First, I’d like to give my sympathy to the families in Connecticut, but also to individuals who have lost a loved one in an unexpected tragedy....

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hartman75

Jan-31-13 12:57 PM

To my knowledge, Merion has NEVER insulted ANYONE with her comments rangeral, so why would you insult her?

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rangeral

Jan-31-13 9:00 AM

mc - for purposes of this discussion I put you with the nut jobs.

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merioncooper

Jan-31-13 2:56 AM

RangerAl: " - two types of people kill people - those with mental issues and criminals."

So, Al, what category do you put cops who shoot and kill suspects, soldiers who kill enemies, and executioners who lace a prisoner's blood and lungs with chemicals? Are cops and soldiers people with mental issues or criminals? And is a 7-year-old playing with his father's handgun and blows the mouth off his sister a criminal or a mental patient? If you are going to narrow it down to such a black-and-white definition, I'd love to see you wriggle your way to an explanation on this.

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rangeral

Jan-30-13 10:11 PM

I don't see you as the one to make decisions for me - worry about yourself.

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commonman

Jan-30-13 8:21 PM

Al, sorry it took so long to get to you, it appears Prod should be Prop- for Propaganda since he is trying to drown everyone else out with quantity over quality. So what's your point? Eliminating certain weapons might help with those who don't have any common sense...

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WBL947

Jan-30-13 5:58 PM

What was the intention of the writers of the 2nd amendment? They could not have imagined the power that the NRA tells us we have the right to own. Why are there restrictions on hunting weapons? Guns don't kill animals, people do.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 12:59 PM

Maybe the anti's can help steer me clear of the path of evil...

Where do y'all stand on all these guns up for grab in the Pheasants Forever 2013 Ultimate Upland Gun A Week Raffle?

MN Ducks Unlimited is raffling enough guns to hold off a Canadian invasion force.

And what about all those fire departments. Assembled and maintained with our own tax money, many every year putting death and destruction in the hands of it's citizens by raffling guns. The horror.

If you banned the future sale of all guns and ammo today, there's enough raffled guns in our midst to take out the entire metro area without reloading.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 12:01 PM

Government officials are exempt from the current proposed ban made by Feinstein.

Isn't that the exact opposite of what the founders intended? Read the 2A again and comment please.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 11:55 AM

Thirty-nine states are not considering new gun restrictions,

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 11:29 AM

What happens immediately to our west impacts us, as there ain't a DMZ or fence. North Dakota: "We're not talking about banning guns," says Jeff Zent, a policy adviser to Republican Gov. Jack Dalrymple. There could be more money allocated to human services for mental health and counseling.

South Dakota: Tony Venhuizen, Gov. Daugaard's director of policy and communications, said the governor isn't endorsing any laws related to firearms. If any gun measures pass, they will more likely loosen restrictions on firearms than tighten them, says Majority House leader Rep. David*****[R].

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 11:19 AM

Also up for the 2014 popularity contest is Gov. Dayton. A "gun enthusiast", great white hunter and sportsman, I doubt he'd personally pass a heightened background check. Dayton has a history of chronic alcoholism and depression and was freely roaming Lyon County with a shotgun just months ago.

What's Dayton's position on restricting the RTKABA? Last Fri. on MN Public Radio, Dayton stated he's willing to consider new gun restrictions, but he's not sure whether such measures would be constitutional under the Second Amendment.

He is sworn to uphold the constitution, right?

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 10:48 AM

Time to stop holding your breath and covering your ears while screaming "la-la-la-la" h75.

Nov. 2014, 33 of 100 US Senate seats are up for grabs, 20 are Democrats election next year. Polls show a 50-50 voter's split on the issue of gun control, depending on region.

Dem, Senators in Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina, South Dakota and West Virginia will be up for re-election. These are states with heaviest per-capita gun ownership. h75 is entitled to his histrionics. I don't see those that count [legislative representatives] following suit.

Any radical assault on the 2A will be political suicide.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 10:26 AM

"...increased training in the handling of firearms should be required not only of civilians but also of those hired to enforce law and order."h75

Doesn't mean much to someone intent on breaking the law. It's a contradiction to offer that the law abiding are committing these rampage killings, isn't ti?

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 10:21 AM

Top ten guns involved in crime in the U.S? .38 Special and .357 revolvers, Raven Arms .25 caliber, Davis P-380 in .380, Ruger .22 caliber, Lorcin in .380 caliber,S & W semi-automatic handguns, Mossberg and Remington 12 gauge shotguns, and the Tec DC-9 9 mm handgun.

None are "military similar", or have high capacity magazines.

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hartman75

Jan-29-13 10:00 AM

Great comments blasphemer and commonman. Thankfully, there are many like commonman, hunters who understand not only the importance of gun safety but also how some weaponry negatively impacts society.

After reading Prods latest comments its clear that increased training in the handling of firearms should be required not only of civilians but also of those hired to enforce law and order.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 9:42 AM

The US Department of Justice reports that approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, yet some contend we have a gun possession problem, and a mental health epidemic not worth mentioning.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 9:29 AM

"...and it's intended purpose was not necessarily to be in the hands of an ordinary citizen."~blasphemer

I don't think you want to draw much attention to guns in the hands of police, or those you consider 'extra-ordinary'.

After the Sandy Hook incident, Chatfield, MI schools hired a 32-year veteran of the Lapeer County Sheriff’s Dept., as well as a firearms instructor, to provide building security.

On Jan. 14, that security officer left his gun in the student restroom.

01-19-13, an Austin, TX cop left his gun on a school playground. Found by 2nd grade students.

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ProdigalSon

Jan-29-13 9:07 AM

"....and it's intended purpose was not necessarily to be in the hands of an ordinary citizen."~blasphemer

Same can be said about high performance cars. Or chainsaws. Neither are specifically mentioned in the constitution. More kids die in pools than by gunfire. What is their designed purpose, enjoy or take the lives of little children?

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rangeral

Jan-28-13 11:27 PM

common - all your instances are covered by current law and/or common sense - which you can't legislate.

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commonman

Jan-28-13 8:20 PM

KK, Chickens for Col. Sanders is like a person who names himself after cereal asking to be taken seriously. Or did you forget to call yourself KingKaptainKrunch? I believe intelligent outdoorsman can break the stranglehold of the NRA.

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commonman

Jan-28-13 7:42 PM

Clearly you don't remember my comments,Al. In fact, I'm disgusted when someone only gets 4 years after killing someone while driving drunk for the 3rd time. I am against gang bangers, drug dealers, old men who shoot their granddaughters, guys who kill 2 teenagers (and enjoys it) in Little Falls. I'm also against people who shoot guns for "pleasure" or think they should own a gun in case they need to kill someone they deem as a threat. I'm against people who own guns and leave them where others can easily access them. I'm for people who should be able to go to public places without a gun. I'm for people being able to enjoy a movie without being shot. I'm for kids safely going to school. I'm for anyone who has been affected by those tragedies. My guns are designed for hunting only, Al.

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rangeral

Jan-28-13 5:42 PM

You don't go to war with a semi-automatic weapon, which on the other hand is quite useful for home protection.

On grandaughter shot by mistake, thousands shot by gang bangers. I'll go with the latter, hartburn.

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blasphemer

Jan-28-13 5:06 PM

What about the intention of the weapon? It may be an inatimate object, but it was manufactured for an intended purpose and it's intended purpose was not necessarily to be in the hands of an ordinary citizen.

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hartman75

Jan-28-13 4:12 PM

"two types of people kill people - those with mental issues and criminals." -rangeral

Tell that to the Rochester grandfather that accidentally shot his granddaughter, thinking she was an intruder, rangeral. Thankfully the girl will survive and I can't even imagine how bad the grandfather feels, although he SHOULD be charged with a crime - how is it legal to shoot at a target you have not identified!

Do you have any more words of wisdom rangeral?

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rangeral

Jan-28-13 3:02 PM

hartman - let's start with the stuff that is already law, and let's use Chicago as an example. If they can end the gun violence there, then there wouldn't be any need for much more "reform".

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